Nah, rightsholder organizations have been spreading their FUD propaganda since the advent of the cassette tape and VHS. They have tried, but they have never won a case against someone solely for receiving and saving a work. Downloading is not a crime in and of itself. The criminal act is uploading.
None of it is a crime unless you’re doing it for profit - commercial copyright infringement. Regular copyright infringement is a civil offense, which is why it’s up to the rightsholder to prosecute a claim. Any claim will have cost but also uncertainty, hence why if the value of the claim is low they won’t bother - even if the case is strong - to avoid the risk of losing over some small procedural matter. Also typically in the US you don’t get awarded costs, so if your claim isn’t going to meet your costs it will always be a net loss.
Downloading most definitely is the civil offense of copyright infringement. It’s just not worth prosecuting - the most they could claim for is the cost of a single download, which is far less than the cost of going to court.
To argue otherwise is to claim you can legally take whatever you like without paying for it.
To argue otherwise is to claim you can legally take whatever you like without paying for it.
Do you not understand the fundamental purpose of copyright law? It is not to ensure that artists get paid. The purpose is “To promote the progress of science and useful arts”. The purpose is to expand the depth and breadth of public knowledge; to push ideas into the public domain, where they can be used by anyone.
You’re getting so hung up on the method of copyright that you’re ignoring its purpose. Yes, you can legally receive whatever you like without paying for it. The trick is in finding someone willing to send it to you. That sender might be prohibited from sending it, and you might be prohibited from sending it to others, but there is nothing in copyright law that prohibits you from receiving it.
The value of winning a single case of infringement against a downloader is the precedent it sets. The costs associated with that first case are miniscule relative to the benefits. Winning that first case would allow rightsholders to truly annihilate P2P platforms. With that one case as precedent, they could credibly demand billions in settlements from the American public.
No, that “not worth the cost to prosecute” claim is complete and total horseshit. The reality is that every time they have tried to target downloaders, their cases have been dismissed long before going to trial, because they can’t show how a downloader runs afoul of copyright law. The law targets distribution, not reception.
Yes, you can legally receive whatever you like without paying for it.
A quick search provides plenty of links to say you’re wrong. In particular with respect to downloading from the internet, which is significantly different to receiving a physical item.
When you download, you create a copy on your computer. You read a file from a server, then write it to your local storage.
Sure, maybe buying a pirated CD may be legal for the buyer, but copying that CD would not be - and like I say, there is the argument that playing the CD is a form of copying that is only permitted with a license from the rightsholder. However downloading is regarded as a form of copying that is only permissible with permission from the rightsholder.
You are trying to justify something that no reasonable person - let alone a court - would justify.
None of those links are to federal statutes. Some are to government sites, but not to the statutes. The statutes do not support your claims.
When you download, you create a copy on your computer.
VHS and cassette recordings of broadcast or pirate transmissions also end up with a copy of the work in the possession of the receiver. Both are legal. It is not legal to share or retransmit those recordings, but those recordings are themselves legal to create and consume.
You read a file from a server,
No. You’re radically oversimplifying the scenario. You’re ignoring the second party involved.
P2P downloading is like calling up a pirate radio station and asking them to play a song. You set up your recording device, and wait for them to play it… The recording you make is legal. The act of requesting the song does not obligate the station to play it. They can ignore your request, or play it immediately, or play it three nights later. Their choice to play it is theirs alone. Their playing it is the infringement.
P2P downloading, your computer sends a request to the server. Depending on how the server is configured by the uploader and the resources available to it, it may or may not begin sending the requested work.
You’re really stretching to try and make your arguments seem correct.
Nah, rightsholder organizations have been spreading their FUD propaganda since the advent of the cassette tape and VHS. They have tried, but they have never won a case against someone solely for receiving and saving a work. Downloading is not a crime in and of itself. The criminal act is uploading.
None of it is a crime unless you’re doing it for profit - commercial copyright infringement. Regular copyright infringement is a civil offense, which is why it’s up to the rightsholder to prosecute a claim. Any claim will have cost but also uncertainty, hence why if the value of the claim is low they won’t bother - even if the case is strong - to avoid the risk of losing over some small procedural matter. Also typically in the US you don’t get awarded costs, so if your claim isn’t going to meet your costs it will always be a net loss.
Downloading most definitely is the civil offense of copyright infringement. It’s just not worth prosecuting - the most they could claim for is the cost of a single download, which is far less than the cost of going to court.
To argue otherwise is to claim you can legally take whatever you like without paying for it.
Do you not understand the fundamental purpose of copyright law? It is not to ensure that artists get paid. The purpose is “To promote the progress of science and useful arts”. The purpose is to expand the depth and breadth of public knowledge; to push ideas into the public domain, where they can be used by anyone.
You’re getting so hung up on the method of copyright that you’re ignoring its purpose. Yes, you can legally receive whatever you like without paying for it. The trick is in finding someone willing to send it to you. That sender might be prohibited from sending it, and you might be prohibited from sending it to others, but there is nothing in copyright law that prohibits you from receiving it.
The value of winning a single case of infringement against a downloader is the precedent it sets. The costs associated with that first case are miniscule relative to the benefits. Winning that first case would allow rightsholders to truly annihilate P2P platforms. With that one case as precedent, they could credibly demand billions in settlements from the American public.
No, that “not worth the cost to prosecute” claim is complete and total horseshit. The reality is that every time they have tried to target downloaders, their cases have been dismissed long before going to trial, because they can’t show how a downloader runs afoul of copyright law. The law targets distribution, not reception.
A quick search provides plenty of links to say you’re wrong. In particular with respect to downloading from the internet, which is significantly different to receiving a physical item.
When you download, you create a copy on your computer. You read a file from a server, then write it to your local storage.
Sure, maybe buying a pirated CD may be legal for the buyer, but copying that CD would not be - and like I say, there is the argument that playing the CD is a form of copying that is only permitted with a license from the rightsholder. However downloading is regarded as a form of copying that is only permissible with permission from the rightsholder.
You are trying to justify something that no reasonable person - let alone a court - would justify.
None of those links are to federal statutes. Some are to government sites, but not to the statutes. The statutes do not support your claims.
VHS and cassette recordings of broadcast or pirate transmissions also end up with a copy of the work in the possession of the receiver. Both are legal. It is not legal to share or retransmit those recordings, but those recordings are themselves legal to create and consume.
No. You’re radically oversimplifying the scenario. You’re ignoring the second party involved.
P2P downloading is like calling up a pirate radio station and asking them to play a song. You set up your recording device, and wait for them to play it… The recording you make is legal. The act of requesting the song does not obligate the station to play it. They can ignore your request, or play it immediately, or play it three nights later. Their choice to play it is theirs alone. Their playing it is the infringement.
P2P downloading, your computer sends a request to the server. Depending on how the server is configured by the uploader and the resources available to it, it may or may not begin sending the requested work.