Foreign Minister Eli Cohen told Israeli Army Radio that Israel’s war aims are not just the total destruction of Hamas, but the country also aims to reduce the size of Gaza. The pronouncement is the most explicit indication yet that Israel will move to annex parts of Gaza, as some analysts have speculated.
Oh look at that. Ethnic cleansing.
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You mean there’s a chance this was all a ploy to gain more land?
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!
Well not that shocked…
Isreal has shown time and again that they have no qualms blatantly stealing land. Doubt they needed the justification.
Okay, I’m willing to believe that Israel had a contingency plan ready to exploit the political leeway created if they were hit by a terrible attack. Like “if they kill a bunch of Israelis, this is our shopping-list of objectives to gain ground and kill targets in a time when the world can’t criticize us”. I would believe there are people in the Israeli military who are amoral enough to do that.
However, believing they looked the other way when they knew about an impending attack strains credulity.
And if you’re believing they were active participants in orchestrating an attack on their own people? That means you need your tinfoil hat loosened.
And if you’re believing they were active participants in orchestrating an attack on their own people?
Well, they did fund hamas…
As dumb as it sounds, the FBI actually found and red flagged a few of the 9/11 terrorists months before the attack.
Of which the CIA, DoD, and White House convincently ignored.
I don’t really think Israel set this up, but sometimes I wonder if there’s intentional negligence because how else do you miss such a significant planned attack.
Although both could also be explained by bluffs. Maybe they really didn’t think Hamas was actually going to go through with anything, especially since there was no building escalation.
Which would make sense because Mossad’s intelligence is supposed to be world-renowned.
It’s hard to argue that the escalations of harassment, settler expansion, and killings of Palestinians in 2023 wouldn’t lead to some sort of retribution attack by Palestinians. I think the Israelis were shocked by the success of the attack and the failure of their security system to minimize the damage. I don’t think they were oblivious when many analysts and even the Egyptian government suggested a few days earlier that things were getting hot (they didn’t warn of an imminent attack like was reported in some media, but that there was an increasing threat of some sort of violent resistance to Israel’s violation of international law).
Israel knows they’re violating the 1967 borders, they also know how bullying works. Every few months, bulldoze some houses and claim that area as your own. Keep squeezing and poking until your victim lashes out violently and then use that violence as justification to be more violent. It’s a classic bully tactic.
A ploy? Meaning they hired Hamas to attack and kill their own people so they could then take more land?
Bibi netanyahu literally gave money / supported Hamas: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
What you linked is very different than “this latest attack is a ploy to take more land”.
Your own fucking source suggests it was an attempt to maintain what little peace they could.
Did you even read it? Did anyone who downvoted me read it?
Sure maintain peace, and not undermine the Palestinian Authority. That’s why he gave the radical group support.
I summarized someone else’s source. Take it up with them.
The point of that link is to show you that bibi has ties with hamas and it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he still has some sorts of connection, if not influence then intel.
The plot of “provoke an attack - allow it to happen - retaliate with force - steal land as a result” isn’t that hard to imagine, because this shit happens all the time. Even I remember the exact same thing from 2 years agoSounds fucking ridiculous. Especially when you consider they FORCED their own citizens out of settlements in Gaza in 05.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
In less than 10 hours after the hospital blast, Isreal released a torrent of evidence they didn’t do it. Video, film, conversations, informants, ect. But I’m suppose to believe they were in the dark about the Octobet attack? Even after advanced warning from the U.S and Egypt. That dog won’t hunt monsignor. At best they didn’t know how bad it would be.
They were totally in the dark, yet hours later justified every bomb with their precise information of how every single bomb target was a known hideout for Hamas terrorists.
No, they didn’t hire Hamas. They actually created them like they exist today.
By not doing anything after the Oslo agreements and just sitting their happily that they could de facto occopy the area while someone else (the internation community) pays until Hamas got a majority in 2006.
By even then not supporting the peaceful side against Hamas but sitting their gloating as Palestinians killed Palestinians.
By indirectly supporting Hamas to use them as an excuse showing that the National Authority isn’t speaking for Palestinians and so there is no need to work with them in any way.
No, all they did was unlock the door and turn off the security cameras, same result tho. The rave was birdseed in the middle of a giant red target.
Oh wow, that’s news. Who could have seen Israel stealing more land from Gaza, that’s just unprecedented…
Actually that would be quite new, since most of their land-grabbing actions have been in the West Bank, both the rural settlement communities and urban areas around Jerusalem. The Gaza Strip borders have been consistent for a very long time.
But yes, their current approach of levelling buildings and commanding Palestinians to evacuate does lead me to think they might try that in Gaza.
Yet I’ve seen some delusional people say “Israel is the only one that wants a 2 state solution!”
There it is. Israel wants to kill Palestinians, throw the remaining to anywhere else (Egypt), so they can take all the land to themselves.
Disgusting illegal terrorist state.
The asymmetry of power is so severe that Israel could flatten every building in Gaza and butcher every person there in a single day if they really wanted to. Yes, Israel does horrible things to Palestinians, but if you’re going to start from “Israel wants to kill Palestinians”, you kinda have to explain why they don’t do it even more than they already do.
Public opinion.
Exactly.
The fact that they ask me to explain it to them is a bit weird.
They need to do it in a way where they can still keep their alliance with the US
As bad as exiling them to Egypt would be, that might at least be better than an open air prison getting bombed all the time.
Is that what Ukrainians should do too? Just move somewhere else and let their land be taken by the enemy?
Yeah if they don’t want to be a part of Russia. I struggle to sympathize with Ukraine because their government seems so similar to Russia anyway and the county basically has a fake national history.
i will be honest here: it is morally bad and rewards both invasors, but if i were a palestinian or ukrainian person, i would absolutely try to get out and take my whole family with me (and advise and try to help the extended family, and friends and their families too), to egypt jordania rest of MENA, or europe-US respectivelly. I would not want to take a bomb or get shot in neither terrain.
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this place has become
You seem to have rather right wing views, but this part of the fediverse has always been fairly left wing as far as I can tell.
The only nations in modern history that have vowed and tried to wipe Jews off the planet have been in Europe.
So… just more western-backed genocidal settler-colonialism.
Reminder that the only reason Israel is able to openly carry out ethnic cleansing in Gaza is due to US backing. US is directly responsible for every crime against humanity that Israel is currently engaging in.
They have experience so why wouldn’t they help?
EU as well, but yes, US are the most avid.
Sure, EU is largely a vassal of US at this point though EU policy just mirrors the US for the most part.
Surprise surprise. Like it wasn’t in their plan all along.
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Ya, genocide will do that
Nice way to openly declare your intention to commit crimes under international law.
So, will the people currently living in the to be annexed territory be allowed to become Israeli citizens and retain full rights to their homes? Will the people who left northern Gaza at the instruction of Israel (instructions which Israel used to justify their bombing campaign), be allowed to return to their homes as Israeli citizens?
Will the conditions in a smaller and more densely populated Gaza; where Israeli annexation is now fresh in everyone’s living memory be less conducive to terrorism. Will this help Israel’s relationship with its Arab neighboors, which had been seeing significant normalization prior to Hamas’s attack?
I’ve been hereing a lot of people warn of this offensive as being a second Nakba. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba Comparing this reporting with what happened in the Nakba, that seems like a scaringly likely prediction.
Looking at how the first Nakba turns out, it is hard to see how anyone can think repeating it will end well for Israel.
Heh, what do you think? Are you saying that Arabs can have the same rights as peaceful Zionist settlers? Surely you must be joking.
Oh he said the quiet part out loud
Well they’ve already taken [total size of Israeli territory], what’s a little more right?
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Armchair general here, but if i were to guess israel’s plan:
The northern part of Gaza is where the majority of rockets get launched, since they have geographical proximity to several israeli cities from there. IF israel annexes north gaza, that would already be very changing to the military situation. Hamas can obviously launch stuff from south gaza, but the geographical distance to israeli hotspots dramatically increases (by itself an obstacle), AND norh gaza can be transformed into an extended Iron Dome with several military facilities in place to act, not to mention that now Israel only has to watch half the terrain.
The heretofore events point to this possibiliy, since Israel gave the ultimatum to evacuate northern gaza, and south gaza for now seems to be spared from this. Of course, if Israel then eventually proceeds to colonize north gaza with new settlements (aka West Bank 2.0 electric bogaloo) , hamas has a new ‘easy’ target to hurl stuff into, but the military infrastructure in place will be much more impenetrable, and the local jews would be staunch sionists that accepted the risks and have high morale and preparations to deal with this, and not the mainstream israeli society.
Feel like mainstream Israel society has been pretty dogmatized if they elected that fascist into power again. Agree with the rest of your analysis that they’re going to annex as much of Gaza as possible. Israel’s goal is to get Palestinians into the Sinai peninsula, with USA support they might do it in the next decade. I’m curious what will happen after the complete annexation of Palestine. Does US weapons aid stop? Does Israel become more of an apartheid state?
