• o_d [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Beijing issued a 12-point “peace statement” earlier this year that rehashed its position and did not propose any solutions to ending the war.

    You obviously didn’t read it then…

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      It contains points such as “sovereignty should be respected” but no proposal as to how to make Russia respect Ukraine’s sovereignty.

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        Because it’s about ending the war, not getting Russian leadership to subscribe to an abstract and unevenly defined principle.

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          So how does China intend to end the war, respecting Ukraine’s sovereignty, without getting Russian leadership to subscribe to the said principle?

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              A ceasefire at this point would benefit Russia militarily.

              And “should”? “preferably”? Are you going to bend reality by the force of moral imperatives?

              Russia is unwilling to hold peace talks that involve Ukraine being sovereign and having its territorial integrity intact. According to the Chinese list itself, it’s Russia that needs to make the next step towards peace – by fucking off to behind its own borders.

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                My brother in Christ, Ukraine is unwilling to hold peace talks with Ukraine being sovereign. The last time they were close to a peace deal Boris Johnson flew his orangutan ass into Ukraine like Marry Poppins and killed the peace deal. Sovereign nations really do get to have Boris Johnson have final say in all decision making.

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                  No way he has any influence in a foreign country, Boris Johnson can’t even influence his own hair. Britain is like irrelevant on a global scale.

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                    Britain is still relevant in Europe, even if they’re no longer able to influence Asia/Africa/the Americas.

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                  Ukraine is absolutely willing to talk about peace, thing is Russia has to leave the country first.

                  And as you’re bringing up the Brits, are you acquainted with the term “appeasement”?

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                    Ukraine is absolutely willing to talk about peace, thing is Russia has to leave the country first.

                    Liberals understand what peace talks are challenge, any percent (impossible)

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                A ceasefire at this point would benefit Russia militarily.

                It would also benefit the people of Ukraine who are currently living in an active warzone.

                This should not be difficult to understand.