• Deceptichum@kbin.social
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      The 6.8% not wanting to be independent is the telling part.

      Everyone else either wants to openly call themselves independent on carry on as they are in already being functionally independent.

      tl;dr: No one wants to be part of China or not independent.

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        The vast majority of people want things to stay the same. Both independence and reintegration are very small minorities.

        What that tells me is China has a lot of work to do to entice Taiwan. That’s it.

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          1/4 is not very small.

          Furthermore keeping things the same is to be independent or do you think China currently controls what they do?

          After the disaster of HK, Taiwan is never going to join China.

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            1/4 is pretty small.

            It’s basically the same as the relationship between the US and Puerto Rico. Lots of autonomy, not independence.

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              Okay, think of it this way.

              What exactly is the relationship between the two?

              Do taxpayers of one nation see their taxes spent in the other? No? That’s because Taiwan is not China, and China does not own Taiwan.

              No laws passed in China have effect in Taiwan, China has zero say in how the country is run, but everyone has to pretend that Taiwan is part of China or else Pooh Bear will throw a bitchy fit and invade.

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                The Chinese State is heavily invested in Taiwan, it’s clearly not just an independent country.

                China will only invade if the West keeps arming them, because China won’t tolerate an arms buildup in Taiwan. That’s a perfectly reasonable stance. Imagine China started shipping billions of dollars of weapons to Puerto Rico lol

                Pooh Bear

                Ah yes, calling a Chinese man a yellow animal. Definitely not racist.

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                    You are not a Chinese dissident. It’s definitely been magnified in the West because Winnie the Poo is a fat yellow animal.

                    Also, your article is paywalled, but it sounds to me like investment was heavy and now its being cracked down on. Why do you think that is???

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                  The USA is heavily invested in China - does that make China a province of the USA? Does IMF investment in Africa/Asia mean that the West is morally justified in invading them whenever they decide to buy weapons off Russia?

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          It tells me that most people prefer an eternal cold war to escalating to a hot war. If China backed off and made it clear they would not attack, those numbers would change.

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            China can’t actually do that without Taiwan making a reciprocal agreement to stop engaging in military buildup against China. Peace requires an agreement on both sides. Otherwise, Taiwan could just build up endlessly and then attack China because it left itself vulnerable.

            Let us imagine China started giving Puerto Rico billions of dollars in military hardware. What do you think America’s response would be?

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              China threatens to invade daily, so Taiwan should stop preparing to be invaded? No. Fuck off. China needs to knock it off and stop threatening to invade. Full stop.

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                Taiwan should stop preparing for war if it doesn’t want to start a war.

                Again, imagine Puerto Rico doing the same shit.

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                  Potential rape victims should stop preparing to defend themselves from rapists at the bar? That’s the logic you’re spouting.

                  Stop resisting or else China invades, and China makes no promises to not invade anyway…

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                    Taiwan isn’t a potential rape victim, it’s a guy constantly telling everyone he’ll kill any motherfucker that sets foot on his land and is constantly building up his stockpile of weapons and ammo.

                    Guys like that often end up becoming mass shooters.