The United States is sanctioning more than 150 businesses and individuals as it tries to crack down on evasion and deny Russia access to technology, money and financial channels that fuel Moscow's war in Ukraine.
  • zephyreks@programming.dev
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    1 year ago

    Venice didn’t really have domestic technologies that everyone else relied on and that couldn’t be easily replaced because it costs the GDP of a medium-sized country to even develop.

    • Blake [he/him]@feddit.uk
      32·
      1 year ago

      So what you’re talking about isn’t really globalism, but technological supremacy? Globalism is just about supply chains being spread across the globe. When I pointed out that nations connected with large supply chains still got invaded you moved the goalposts to be about technology.

      The fact is that I don’t think there really is any domestic technology that everyone relies on which only has one source - high tech industries such as semiconductor electronics, aerospace engineering, biomedical engineering, etc. are researched, designed and manufactured all over the world. Yes, there are certain countries which have a lot more research in one area than others, or which manufacture a lot more than others, but it’s not as if China, Russia, the USA, Israel, Europe, etc. would be incapable of research, design and manufacturing if those other powers just suddenly ceased to exist.

      The Roman Empire had technology that was decades ahead of their contemporaries and that didn’t seem to help them keep the peace - but something else did - an emperor who valued peace and saw it as the goal of the Roman Empire. After the death of Marcus Aurelius, Pax Romana went into decline. It wasn’t technology, or trade, or even military strength which kept the peace - it was a desire for peace, and the people who worked to achieve it.

          • zephyreks@programming.dev
            32·
            1 year ago

            So you’re completely ignoring the value-add industries that, due to globalization, other countries haven’t needed to develop and have thus become dependent on a few key sources?

            Globalization only works because countries don’t feel the need to develop key domestic industries. That was broken the minute the US used economic sanctions solely to hamper China’s economic development because “oh no they’re going to become more powerful than us!”

            • Blake [he/him]@feddit.uk
              21·
              1 year ago

              Yeah, are you going to actually mention what you’re referring to, or continue to broadly gesture at concepts in the hopes that someone will fill in the blanks for you?

              Are you intentionally not mentioning that you’re talking about semiconductors because you know I will immediately point out that Chinese manufactures way more semiconductors than the US?

              What is your definition of “globalisation working”? Are we still talking about preventing war? If a country is only prevented from going to war because one nation has it over a barrel, that’s not really peace, it’s imperialism.

              • zephyreks@programming.dev
                2·
                1 year ago

                The semiconductor market is split into two elements: computing and everything else (sensors, power electronics).

                Who do you think dominates the compute space?

                • Blake [he/him]@feddit.uk
                  11·
                  1 year ago

                  Weird “split”, I don’t agree with it, but sure, I’ll play along.

                  For manufacturing, it’s predominantly Asia. China, Taiwan, Korea and Japan are the largest manufacturers of computer components. But a good amount are still made in the US, particularly in Texas, and all over the world there are some other manufacturers.

                  For design and research, it’s predominantly Asia and western nations, again China, Taiwan, the United States and Japan are prominent, as well as a number of Western European nations such as the United Kingdom.

                  I really don’t think you know what you’re talking about, do you?

                  • zephyreks@programming.dev
                    2·
                    1 year ago

                    None of that matters for compute, though. I agree that a lot of people design MOSFETs and sensors in China… That’s not really relevant in terms of computational capacity. Neither is the capacity to manufacture capacitors and resistors. Neither is the capacity to manufacture small microelectronics because the compute done on them is negligible.

                    People talk about semiconductors in terms of the computational gap exposed by smaller technology nodes.