Green card holders are permanent. They’re not any form of temporary and are absolutely not guests.

When you are a guest, yes, follow local customs.

This comes a bit down to utilitarianism vs ethics based on principles

No, it doesn’t. Either one, democracy is still better… Science does best with freedom from suppression.

I’m not making the point that democracy is bad

You are, in fact, making that point

which goes to my previous point, that the propaganda is so internalized and polarized now that you don’t need threats of state violence to keep the population in check

Social suppression is a world apart from state suppression, and downvotes on reddit are not an example of keeping people in check. that’s a terminally online viewpoint.

Of course China has massive problems and corruption and abuses

They are literally a dictatorship. That’s an incredible understatement.

How do YOU know that life in China isn’t actually better and people more happy than in the USA?

They are actively commiting genocide.

Sure you have freedom of speech with the means of communication owned and controlled by the oligarchs

There’s plenty of options for uncontrolled communication. Corp suppression is still wholly different from gov suppression;they can’t toss you in jail.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer is an aphorism that is leading the west inevitably towards fascism.

That’s your opinion, and does not reflect reality.

Your response to a trend toward fascism(which is happening, but not inevitable), is to say we should embrace it like china does?

They are stealing your future right now and there is nothing you can do because they control the media.

Are you intentionally being obtuse about the fact that china has massive censorship. I’m not here to say the usa is good. You’re ignoring European reality, favoring the usa in your arguments because it’s closer to supporting them.

So all the “posturing” about how superior our principles and freedums are is just… well it’s a delusion

We objectively speaking have more freedom of speech than china does at the present moment.

But still the socialists are completely rejected and banned from the largest lemmy instances.

Tankies. Not socialists. Socialists are often speaking and getting upvoted.

It doesn’t work.

…saying china is a democracy, or good, the kind of thing I hear these types saying is just as propagandized a take. That’s the issue…

You can be “left wing” without being a “leftist”. I wouldn’t classify them as the same, personally. Left wing really includes anyone left of center

I’d like to know what you’re saying is eu/usa propaganda on lemmy. As far as I’ve seen, people here are extremely anti usa at a minimum.

My pet peeve is when people post this for things that are not even close to common knowledge, like this. You are not lucky 10000. More like lucky, 10 or something

They don’t care about making money, they care about gambling and having a gambling addiction and trying to justify it

Why do you assume the market will rally when they’re removed? The market will remain worried about the possibility of more. And the market has to deal with the already existing consequences of purchasing of usa goods down worldwide. Habits broken.

Wow. So you actually just hate anyone who has any money at all. You don’t actually care about the issues. You’re just bitter that they have more. Even when they care about your issues, you still hate them because they had the gall to complain when their retirement gets pushed back a decade.

You should look at your actual views. Pulling everyone to that level is the goal. Not bringing everything down.

The middle class are not your oppressors, and never have been.

It’s important for handling estate at death, and making the rules for hard separations clear so someone just doesn’t take the house and leave the other homeless.

I enjoy being able to do physical activity, to be able to run, and enjoy life while I have it. Why would I actively want to be unable to do anything I enjoy?

The vast majority of people here are reddit refugees, raised on a website that encourages being a prentious dick(me inclusive, too often, though I’m trying to be better) it’s unsurprising they’d take issue with the message

All of you idiots who haven’t started their EU paperwork

I don’t think it’s right to say that staying and fighting back is idiotic. Protecting what’s yours is a core to American ideology

Probably a lot more than you’d think. Especially if you take indirect flights. Especially given the large borders, getting put won’t be especially hard

Edgy.

… that’s not what I said at all. I specifically said, “hostile foreign power” for a reason.

How is there less risk to Americans on a platform like X(itter) instead of TikTok?

See my statement on how all should be regulated. But the difference is that country can enforce the regulations.

I don’t believe any media should be banned. But algorithms should be subject to regulation and worry, in my opinion.

“it’s just a game” is a common phrase used to justify cheating, and insult people who call it out. I’m pointing to the usage of “it’s just an app” here as similar to that, meaning it’s used to downplay how much actual impact an app can have, and to insult those who call it out, by making it out to be a lesser thing than it actually is.

Tiktok has a fuck ton of problems. Letting in run free is ridiculous. But all of the major social medias need the hammer brought down on them, they should not be solely targeting tiktok.

Letting a hostile foreign power control a social media site is dangerous. Same reason Europe should ban the American ones, we should ban tiktok

“Just an app” is a statement that ignores reality. Similar to the statement “it’s just a game”. Apps have real world consequences

Being the bottom rung is nice because nothing is my responsibility at work., except my own job.