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  • They will win this lawsuit. Its happe ed multiple times whe folks drove into lakes etc. Was a common issue in the early days of GPS navigation. And is proove n again and again that navigation systems are not responsible for your inability to look where you are driving.

    As for bridge repair. Well apparently this was a privrate road. But if not. Whike there is grounds to sue the authority for failing to do thier job. Seems very unlikely they can be held accountable for the inability of the driver to stop within his visual range. I have been licenced (before losing my vision) in both the US and UK. Passing test in both. As crap as the US test was. Stopping distances and the effect rain and visibility has was clearly mentioned i the question pool.



  • If you live in the rural areas. So do many elderly. It is entirely possible and not uncommon for folks like me. With balance and vision issue. To fall and get knocked out.

    If you are driving in a manor where you cannot see a bridge is out to avoid killing yourself. You are driving in a manner where you cannot see a child or pedestrian. And definatly can’t see someone ill in the road.

    And yes you are entirly responsible. In the rural UK where I live. And cities. You are required to travel at a speed where you can safly see within you total stopping distance.

    So no my example is far from flawed. My next door niegbours daughter was killed this way in 1988. Amd the driver went to prison. Happens in other cases. But thats the only one I know personally.


  • Copnsider as a licenced qualified driver. You are legally responsible for driving a heavy machine that can and dose kill people.

    And you will understand. Legally on most of the planet. If condition mean you cannot proceed safely for yourself,. You are risking the life of others and are requiredno to drive. Inconvenience getting wet or being late at your destination in no way excludes you from that legal responsibility.

    And as a disabled person with balance and visual impairment ho used to be able to drive. But hnded in my licence as soon as I was unsafe.

    I am really getting pissed of with the number of modern drivers who seem to think driving is a right not a responsibility.

    When you (for the sake of argument. I am sure you are not this dumb) choose to continue driving when you cannot see if the way ahead is safe. You are clearly indicating that anyone with stability issues of any form. Has in you opinion, no right to be out in public. In case they fall in the road and get knocked out.

    Because you are saying if “weather, time of day, visibility, reaction time and all those related incident/accident elements.” Mean I should legally stop driving. I consider the risk to your life. Less important then myself getting to my destination at a reasonable time.


  • you suggested a person driving in a dangerous way where he cannot see. Is undeserving of the Darwin award criticism.

    So while it may not be your intention. Your lack of consideration is saying exactly that this person has a right to travel in a way that risks killing children.

    And that drivers in general should not be held accountable for the requirement to do so safly.

    The fact you are to ignorant to consider the full conclusion of your statements. Dose not mean you are free from critisim for them. Or others who may find the inconsideration of you driving advice offensive. (“your probably dead” To someone advising he is responsible for his choices). Dose not mean anyone strongly disagreeing with you must be on drugs.


  • Result ? You’re probably dead, as well as most everyday drivers in the exact same situation,

    Then those drivers are also happily abdicating there responsibility as a responsible driver.

    If they hit a child or collapsed adult due to failing to watch where they are going. Who do they blame then.

    As a disabled person with balance and vision issues. Attitudes like this are basically stating I and all elderly of physically infirm people, have zero legal right to leave my house. As drivers cannot be expected to watch where they are going if I fall.

    The simple fact you and far to many modern drivers forget every day is. You are legally responsible and qualified and licenced when you drive. The fact that conditions make you unsafe t drive. Is in no way overridden by the fact that not getting to drive is incovinient and you are tired. If you cannot see what you are driving towards. You are legally required to stop driving. Not use your multi ton potential killing machine to make your life a littlke less hard.


  • You know something. If vision is poor. You are legally required to slow to the point you can safly stop within your visual range.

    If for example its late at night. And some little old lady crossing the road falls and knocks herself out.

    As a qualified driver you are responsible if you crush her head. Not h poor old lady. Sorry I could not see her on the road is not an acceptable excuse. If you cannot see whas in front of ou. Your inconvenience in no way outweighs your responsibility as a driver.

    The average driver dose not in any way shape or form have a legal right to abdicate their responsibility to google.

    If he was driving towards the bridge without the ability to see it was out. He was driving in a way that means any pedestrian was t risk from his actions.


  • While I agree other entity have a responsibility to maintain the roads etc. It is thier bloody job after all.

    I strongly disagree that they or anyone but the driver have responsibility for watching what they drive onto.

    The driver is incharge of the car. If you(for the sake of the point) are driving in any direction. Without knowing what is under your wheels. At the very least you have no right to be driving a car, and should lose your licence. At the worst you can be responsible for killing a child or adult that fell into the road before you arrive, and should lose your freedom.

    Transportation authorities etc. Should just lose their job for not doing it. Not take responsibility for you not following the basic legal and moral ruirements of driving a car.


  • resulting (on their part) in a person’s death.

    Nope.

    If the bridge had collapsed a few hours ago. No one would know. Due to this being a real risk. Just like anyone reading an older paper map. The driver of any car is entirely responsible for looking where they are going. Not some 3rd party navigation source.

    Evidence that google is crap. In no way shape or form makes them legally responsible for your visual attention while driving. You are.

    And google has faced these cases in a number of nations. Through out the erly addoption of GPS navigation in the 2000s. We saw many cases of folks driving into lakes and rivers. Because they were stupid enouth to trust the GPS system. Rather then use the minimal common sense of watching where they are driving.

    Google map quest and all others never faced and requirement to take responsibility for drivers inability to drive.

    After a decade. The local authority bears responsibility for failing to signpost. Or hell fix th fucking bridge. But even then nope if your driving, how long its been down. In no way relieves you of the standard job. Of watching where the hell you are going. Just means the local auth need to lose there jobs/ 10 years ago.

    Guess what. Old folks crossing the road and falling over. Can happen with little notice. But if you come around a corner. And are not paying attention to the road. The fact that a little old lady fell and knocked herself out. Guess who is legally responsible for failing to drive safly when you crush the poor ladies head.

    As someone with mobility and vision issues. Who is at high risk of losing my balance when travelling. It really fucks me off how many drivers fail to realise. They are responsible for driving a multi ton potential killing machine. And share the environment with the whole of society.

    As soon as they abdicate that responsibility. Thay are basically saying people like me must remain locked in our houses.