If they aren’t occupiers…

Why doesn’t Gaza have an airport? (it was destroyed in 2002 and not allowed to rebuild)

What happens when Gazan’s go too far off the coast? (they get shot)

What happens when they go past the border wall? (they get shot)

But sure, maybe you like the term “under seige” better? Is that more accurate for you?

Social media, not western news agencies. The news is highly biased toward Israel even if the people generally aren’t falling for it.

Please tell me you think it’s justified to hold a child in prison for years for throwing a rock at a tank. Oh, or maybe they illegally walked on the wrong side of the road in the west bank. I really want to hear this.

They act as a mediator for Israel to fund Hamas.

Not saying they’ve never given any of their own money to the governing body of a destitute open air prison, but that wouldn’t be unique to them.

The hostage deal was negotiated by Qatar, the Hamas leadership is living in luxury in Qatar

You’re spelling out how they’re acting like a neutral party here.

Qatar is seeking to gain more influence in the future of Gaza.

It’s a destitute open air prison. Come on now.

Is this really the right moment to blindly trust the Qatar state owned news source with its reporting about a Qatar negotiated deal related to a conflict that Qatar has a vested interest in?

I don’t blindly trust their reporting. It was one search result. Most of the details on Israeli actions and policy come straight from Israeli sources like B’Tselem.

Is it not true? You could tell me that with something backing it instead of complaining about a reputable source.

Recognized as a non-member observer state, and the countries actively oppressing them currently do not.

The same ones that hand-wring endlessly about a “two state solution”.

Why not? They’re a great source unless they’re reporting on something related to Qatar’s own government / interests.

Palestinians would love to be recognized as a state. Why aren’t they?

Many Palestinian prisoners aren’t charged with crimes and have “secret evidence” held against them. Given Israel’s track record of lying and colonialist activity, I’ll leave you to decide if they actually do have that evidence. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/5/2/more-than-600-palestinians-held-by-israel-without-charge-or-trial

On top of that, the vast majority of the actual crimes are incredibly minor like rock throwing, and it doesn’t matter if you’re a child. The conditions and treatment in Israel prisons for Palestinians is incredibly grim as well.

There’s a thin vaneer of an unjust legal framework, and the aims of Israel aren’t as explicit to hold them for trade, but they’re a whole lot closer to being hostages than most people care to admit.

Bold of them given what’s been happening to any press living in Gaza

Alright I was going to disengage but holy shit.

You’re going to go against Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, B’Tselem, Nelson fucking Mandela, among plenty of others, saying it’s an Apartheid? Come on, dude.

To be fair, you don’t know they can’t defeat them. Vietnam won against the United States. This kind of fascist state can’t last by definition. I only hope it implodes sooner rather than later.

Glad you’ve been on the side of defending apartheid and genocide. Cool chat.

The 20% of Israel’s population who are Arab/Palestinians and are not belligerent seem to be faring better. Plenty of governments cooperate with Israel with very good results. So, what’s different about these?

Easy, the material conditions, here’s a short that highlights Gaza specifically, and not being under occupation. They have food, water, medical care, aren’t under a permit regime, and aren’t under threat of having their homes violently stolen.

Ultimately Palestine’s position has mostly to do with declaring war on Israel multiple times and losing, then remaining belligerent and engaging in guerilla attacks against them for the next half-century.

Are you talking about 1948, when the Nakba was happening and expelling people from their homeland? Or 1967 when Israel did a “pre-emptive” strike to start the six day war and get a land grab?

Man, why does this map keep shrinking? Must be a coincidence. Those darn Arabs did some violence and whoopsie we accidently took more land! Man that’s crazy it always seems to work out like that. https://www.palestineportal.org/learn-teach/israelpalestine-the-basics/maps/maps-loss-of-land/

https://www.972mag.com/settler-attacks-west-bank-gaza-war/

They’re not carpet bombing them (wow so kind and restrained of them), but they are continuing to steal homes and land. This has been happening before Oct 7th too. This is what happens when you cooperate with Israel.

Yeah, but the “bear” in the situation is a nation state. It’s not an animal or a natural disaster. You’re blaming the victim here, you realize right?

There’s no Hamas in the west bank. Why is Israel killing and driving them out? Performing pogroms and all that.

Also why should they be peaceful after the literal Nakba? Israel are the ones on stolen land dude.

Only one party has the power to make that a reality, and it isn’t the Palestinians.

Israel wants Hamas to exist, Netenyahu said it himself in a closed door meeting, and they fund Hamas through Qatar.

Why? Manufacture consent against the exact kind of barbaric enemy Israel propped up.

Human shields is the dumbest fucking talking point. Even if it were true, does that justify all the collateral damage to literal children? Half of Gaza is under 18.

Hamas won because, the United States forced an election the people said they werent ready for. Moderates split the vote, and a failed western backed coup solidified their power. That also happened 16 years ago, long before many of those Gazans were even alive let alone old enough to vote.

So riddle me this, would you be OK with Hamas having guided rockets to take out Israeli targets? If so, what’s the ratio of civilian to militant do you think is alright? Think hard before you make a double standard for yourself.

Great, then let’s give Palestinians an iron dome as well.

And while we’re at it, let’s return the land and homes that Palestinians have been terrorized out of, and prevent the horrific living conditions in their prison camp called Gaza. Maybe during the great march of return, a peaceful protest that was met in deaf ears and bullets. Eventually you have two options, die a silent suffering death or fight back.

Oct 7th is Israeli blowback

If you want the hostages, you negotiate, not bomb where the hostages are. You also don’t wait 2 days to secure the area while immediately hitting the “bomb gaza” button. The conflict makes so much more sense when you realize Israel cares more about killing and displacing Palestinians than saving their own people. (Hannibal doctrine)

If I’m in Israel’s shoes, I wouldn’t be demonizing and dehumanizing an entire people I’ve stolen land from.

Let’s say I magically became ruler on Oct 7th. There’s only two ways out of the conflict for good, full scale genocide and ethnic cleansing or reparations and a one state secular solution. Obviously I choose the latter.

They killed the people outside of their prison cell. The ones that have them locked in there under horrifying conditions. They targeted anyone on the outside.