What do you think raping and massacring people at a music festival is going to do?

Nothing, just cause more suffering. But this isn’t a bad guy vs good guy argument. The point that’s being made is that extremism tends to be a product of its environment.

Please note that this is not an anti-Israel line of arguing.

Conditions in Gaza are terrible and many people have lost loved ones during their lives there. It creates an environment where extremism can flourish. It’s not a certainty, but the probability is just much higher in environments that are severely deprived.

The actions of Hamas are inexcusable, and Israel will surely want to bring them to justice. But after that it’s time to acknowledge that if conditions in Gaza are kept as poor as they are, the chances of this type of violence happening again are almost guaranteed. It’s also in the interest of Israel to allow and facilitate improved conditions in Gaza.

Such an enlightening argument.

I guess then it was an excellent idea to shoot up a music festival.

/s

I am sorry you lost several loved ones. I can’t imagine what that must be like.

Hopefully, while grieving, you won’t be stuck in anger for much longer. The people that you have lost wouldn’t want children to pay the price for your country’s revenge.

Of course you want Hamas to be brought to justice, but there are many people like you and I in Gaza that are just trying to live a life free of violence. Hamas might kill indiscriminately, but they are a terrorist/radical group. A country must not sink to their level, especially a democratic one.

Nothing will make it easier for Hamas to find new recruits than large numbers of people in Gaza who are grieving their lost ones: and so the cycle of violence continues.

It’s not that far fetched. It works the other way around as well.

Israel has much more freedom to do what it pleases in terms of its illegal settlements if the other side appears violent and unreasonable. Occupying Gaza creates a breeding ground for extremists, but could be considered an acceptable status quo for Israel as it’s impossible to find broad support for Palestine if it’s associated with extremists.

I just can’t fathom how it wouldn’t also have helped Hamas’ cause by forbidding any form of sexual violence.

It would have helped their cause if it had been possible to draw comparisons between them and Israel: both kill lots of civilians. But the reports of rape and other sexual violence just makes it impossible to feel anything but disgust.

I think there are few things on the other side of the spectrum that you might have missed.

*Mumbles sometimes about books in the US*

Let’s be clear that this is Hamas though, it’s not correct to say that it’s Palestine, regardless if the actions of Hamas are supported more broadly.

This is the point of the fediverse.

But users expressing their opinion about the policies of the Lemmy servers they use is part of that

Agreed, equating them is just penalty inflation.

A more productive focus would be:

1. that those who have been shown to accept bribes are actually removed from their position prosecuted successfully.
2. Transparent governance with independent watchdogs so that corruption is harder to hide.

Next time reddit screws up in a high profile way, and they will screw up, the fediverse will be ready.

And it doesn’t seem entirely impossible that our Elon Musk fanboy Steve will screw up again.

I won’t be surprised to read in the future:

• Reddit Introduces Its Own Version of X’s (Formerly Known as Twitter’s) Blue Checkmark
• Backlash After Reddit Strikes Exclusive Deal to Provide Trainingsdata to OpenAI
• Reddit Introduces Paid Membership Options for Communities
• Something Money Grabbing Reddit Related