At least 40 dead in Israel, more than 700 injured as Hamas militants launch thousands of rockets
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Rockets have been fired from Gaza "across southern and central Israel, including Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and the infiltration of Hamas militants."

Over 100 Israelis have died and more than 900 were injured after rockets were fired from Gaza by Hamas militants, Israeli officials said Saturday.

The Palestinian Health Ministry said 198 were killed in Gaza and at least 1,610 were injured Saturday in retaliatory attacks from Israel.

“We are at war. We will win,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday.

The Israeli Defense Forces earlier declared “a state of alert for war,” according to a statement issued by the IDF.

“Over the past hour, the Hamas terrorist organization launched massive barrages of rockets from Gaza into Israel, and its terrorist operatives have infiltrated into Israel in a number of different locations in the south,” the IDF said early Saturday.

  • purahna@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    8130·
    11 months ago

    Is there a way that a nation can use the same means their oppressor uses to perpetuate apartheid for the purposes of resisting apartheid and not be labeled as “terrorist”?

    • kescusay@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9710·
      11 months ago

      You’re missing the point. Hamas brutally oppresses its own people, as does Israel’s goverment. This is a predictably violent response from a violent group in retaliation against another violent group, and innocent people in both countries who just want to live their lives will suffer for it.

      There are no good guys here. Israel is ultimately at fault for its treatment of Palestine, but that doesn’t excuse Hamas tactics of executing civilians in their homes - tactics that will not work and will not bring anyone to their side.

      This is going to be a long, shitty time for a lot of people and nothing will be solved. And that fucking sucks.

    • V H@lemmy.stad.socialEnglish
      277·
      11 months ago

      No. It will invariably be called terrorism.

      ANC carried out terror bombings intentionally targeting civilians too after first trying non-violent protests, then trying sabotage, then targeting military, and not getting results. And they were called terrorists as well despite certainly doing far less harm than the regime they fought, and ignoring that while civilian, the majority of their victims were voters who had an active role in continuing to vote in the regimes engaged in the oppression.

      The only way to stop being labeled terrorist is to win the conflict, like the ANC.

      This is not a criticism of the ANC, btw… On a personal level I think some of their actions were deplorable, but I also think that it is fundamentally not up to any of us to judge the armed resistance of the oppressed unless we are actively fighting that oppression in better, more effective ways.

      In other words: Personally, I think that anyone who is not personally at a minimum engaged in efforts to end Israeli oppression that is likely to right now be achieving more than armed Palestinian resistance has no moral standing to judge their actions.

      And nobody here is.

      • maporita@unilem.orgEnglish
        74·
        10 months ago

        The ANC won by mobilizing world opinion against the South African regime. The armed struggle was inconsequential and contributed nothing to ending apartheid.

        • V H@lemmy.stad.socialEnglish
          111·
          10 months ago

          Mandela disagreed with you, and maintained to the end that it was essential in mobilizing support. They got little attention until they ramped up.

          The engaged in non-violent resistance against increasingly oppressive laws for decades with no support or attention, and achieving nothing. In fact Apartheid was put in place during, not before, that non-violent resistance, that was how little it achieved. The sanctions first started after ANC and others raised the stakes and violence started rattling the regime into escalation that caught attention.

          However, whether or not it was effective is irrelevant to the argument I made, which is that unless you provide a better solution, you’re not in a position to judge how they fight back.

      • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.worldEnglish
        187·
        11 months ago

        Because people don’t understand that violence is necessary at times.

        When you’re violently oppressed for decades while exhausting all peaceful options it gets to a point where you only have violent options left. Especially when the actual govt does fuck all to help you.

        • Cryophilia@lemmy.worldEnglish
          121·
          10 months ago

          I agree in general but not THIS. Kidnapping, raping, and murdering random civilians, besides being monstrously evil, does not accomplish any goals.

          • V H@lemmy.stad.socialEnglish
            48·
            10 months ago

            When you’re cornered with no options, do you lay down and give up, or do you lash out indiscriminately without worrying how it will look or stop to rationally assess whether it will help?

            You can’t take away people’s other options and then blame them when their reactions gets increasingly extreme, because doing so inherently favours the oppressors.

            • Cryophilia@lemmy.worldEnglish
              114·
              10 months ago

              Yeah I can.

              Hamas attacked IDF soldiers - regrettable, but it’s war. No one is really talking about that.

              Hamas did these acts of indiscriminate barbarism - total condemnation. And rightly so. These are war crimes, and sickening ones.

              • V H@lemmy.stad.socialEnglish
                57·
                10 months ago

                They are war crimes.

                At the same time it’s unreasonable to believe this won’t be the consequence eventually when you impose apartheid and carry out war crimes for decades.

                As long as Israel maintains its illegal occupation and maintains it’s apartheid, and continue their own war crimes (including settlements - annexing occupied land is a war crime as well) it’s sheer hypocrisy to focus on the Palestinians desperate response, the same way it was when some focused on ANCs bombings of civilians rather than on the systematic oppression that created the situation in the first place.

                Blaming the victim for punching the bully back is indirectly defending the bully, who in this case has a far higher death toll on their conscience.

                  • V H@lemmy.stad.socialEnglish
                    46·
                    10 months ago

                    I called Israel a bully, and you know that full well.

                    And the far larger numbers of poor scared murdered children they’ve left behind makes me unwilling to blame anyone but the occupier and the perpetrator of apartheid who has created the situation in the first place.

                    In other words, if you blame anyone but Israel for what happens in this conflict, you’re part of perpetuating the situation causing this.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      10 months ago

      The Resistance Française would’ve been labelled “terrorists” by the current standards.

    • Shardikprime@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      10 months ago

      Hamas sets up military operations in a civilian building by force - the civilians have no say in this and get killed if they protest Hamas then uses that building to launch rockets, store ammunition, communication stations How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:

      “Roof knocking”: Hitting the building’s roof with a small explosive to announce that it will fall in 15 minutes (see video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY example from yesterday) Automatic SMS and phone calls impacted areas warning and urging to evacuate Precision strikes that make the building fall vertically with minimal damage to the areas As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.

      To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.

      The anti-Israel don’t care that Israel is bending over backwards to minimize human suffering while fighting a decades long war against people who are deliberately trying to kill their children.

      Remember how upset they are when Israel does something 100 percent defensive, like build a security fence to keep out an endless stream of suicide bombers?

      This isn’t good-faith criticism.

      These people hate Israel for this that they works be applauding other countries for. And we all know why