• Kalash@feddit.ch
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    1 year ago

    Almost like Hamas is systematically using civilians as human shields.

      • Kalash@feddit.ch
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        1 year ago

        Right, Israel should just roll over an accept all death and destructing of their own people just because the Hamas doesn’t give a fuck about theirs?

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              The same way the police deal with people that have taken hostages. Or the same way the US military deals with them. BY NOT KILLING THE HOSTAGES.

              You are putting an awful lot of effort into purposefully not understanding this concept.

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                The US doesn’t negotiate with terrorists as a policy. the police isn’t dealing with people hell bent on murdering them, their family, and all their friends.

                The fact that you think your scenarios are related shows you don’t understand the situation.

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                  The US negotiates with terrorists every single day. That’s just a political slogan. In reality you do want to talk with everyone involved, even if you’re planning on betraying and murdering them at the end anyway. The US has negotiated with almost every single terrorist organization in existence worldwide. That’s like, the main job of the CIA when they’re not too busy smuggling drugs.

                • BradleyUffner@lemmy.world
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                  They don’t negotiate with terrorists, but they also don’t purposefully shoot their hostages either, now do they?

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              It’s called counter insurgency. But it involves thinking about the civilian population as real human beings with rights.

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                  Lmao they should just stop colonising? And end apartheid? Like how hard is it to understand? A colonised people will keep fighting until they are dead.

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                  1 year ago

                  Use OPIR, COMINT, HUMINT, OSINT, GEOINT and drone imagery alongside sleeper cell infiltrators alongside PRISM and the NSA database to locate the targets, then use one of the following:

                  • Aboveground: Sniper from two miles out, on a hill somewhere.
                  • Aboveground in a bunker: Precision guided bunker-buster munition with a shaped charge to open the door, and then secondary charge to kill the target and minimize casualties
                  • Belowground: noxious gas to fill the tunnels and drive out anyone without a mask, armed unmanned ground vehicles to scout ahead with a swarm of drones. SEAL follows behind. Flashbang the room, use night vision to locate and then neutralize hostiles while attempting to minimize loss of hostages and noncombatants.
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          No one said that. Why do you make it sound like this is the only other option?

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      1 year ago

      Even given that, Israel still has choices about what it does and responsibility for it. Israel is not forced to mass-murder civilians.

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      The last dude was found hiding in a refugee camp. His decision to hide there doomed others in the camp. They do it on purpose because one side will sometimes play by the rules. Terrorists exploit that.

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        Yep, they have been doing this for decades.

        It’s almost a win-win for them. Either they avoid getting bombed … or they don’t but they get to play the victim card and point the finger at Israel. That’s literally their playbook.

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          If only there were some way to go into the refuge camp and kill ONLY THE TERRORIST, instead of firing missiles blindly into the camp.

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                Hamas exists. A Palestinian resistance to Hamas could exist as well (and would likely be supported by Israel and the United States). Yet, there does not seem to be any Palestinian resistance to their violent and corrupt Hamas overlords.

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                  Their choice is either Hamas, a violent and corrupt warlord, or Fatah, a submissive and corrupt government. Both choice will result in them getting oppressed and drive out from their land.

                  That’s not a good yardstick to measure this.

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                    I mean… They could form a new, democratic government? This isn’t rocket science. Why are the only choices that current, dysfunctional regimes? They wouldn’t be the first country in living memory to create a new democracy, if they chose to attempt it.

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              1 year ago

              If only Israelis could stop supporting a genocidal extremist government.

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      Proximity shielding the wya Israel uses itet is pure BS. Read about it. Almost every use of it is questionable and made to kill civilians.