Thanks for the source, but I think it is weird to drop a decades old quote with a recent picture. Especially during the complications of the conflict right now. It feels indigenous without a further context or reason why this is relevant?
Let me be clear that I think the international community should get involved and stop this non-proportional response from Israel (and in any case this never ending conflict) and that the US has a significant leverage over Israel.
I don’t think it’s irrelevant but I do think it’s important to provide context on when the quote was said. Even if his stance hasn’t changed or if it has gotten worse, it should still be noted when he actually said it. While it can’t be ruled out, it’s pretty unlikely he would say that today with current events.
Would you agree that actions speak louder than words? His material support for Palestinian genocide has increased drastically from when he said this quote.
Yes. Again, I am not disagreeing with you. All I’m saying is that when quoting something that was said almost 40 years ago, it’s important to provide context on when it was said to provide readers a frame of reference.
What has changed since then? I’d understand your point completely if Biden was no longer supporting genocide of Palestinians.
When someone is being consistent with something they said years ago, it adds nothing to say, “but context”.
If I posted about how Biden supported racially segregated busing, and was against gay marriage, then you might have a point in claiming context, since the democratic party has opportunistically changed its mind on those.
Context matters in this case not because his stance has changed or not, but because current events have changed. The post comes off as if Biden said it today. I doubt he would’ve said that out loud in 1986 if Israel was doing what it’s doing now back then, just as he won’t be saying that today with what’s happening. If the post said “Biden on Israel in 1986” or something similar, then it gives a frame of reference to the reader on the context that he didn’t say that while Israel was actively mounting a full scale invasion of Palestine, especially here where it’s posted in c/worldnews. I wouldn’t mind if this was posted in c/politics or something.
Again, I am not disagreeing with you that what he said was deplorable.
The fact that Biden wouldn’t say the quiet part out loud today, just shows the opportunism of the democratic party.
Exactly, that’s why it’s important to point out he didn’t say that today. His stance is bad even 37 years ago, but it doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t say it today.
Re: Obama and drones - I think you’re digging too deep into this. The same thing applies. If Obama said something (you didn’t point out an exact quote) before he started bombing, I would still say that context should be provided on when he said it if you posted it today in relation to current events in the middle east and north Africa.
What does political affiliation have anything to do with this? This is c/worldnews, where there is reasonable expectation that what is posted is current events. I have repeatedly said I am not disagreeing with you, and that I’m only saying pulling a quote from 37 years ago needs to be put into context, regardless if it is relevant or not.
Thanks for the source, but I think it is weird to drop a decades old quote with a recent picture. Especially during the complications of the conflict right now. It feels indigenous without a further context or reason why this is relevant?
Let me be clear that I think the international community should get involved and stop this non-proportional response from Israel (and in any case this never ending conflict) and that the US has a significant leverage over Israel.
How is it irrelevant? His support for Israel has only gotten stronger, the number went up from $3B, to $14B in weaponry to Israel.
I don’t think it’s irrelevant but I do think it’s important to provide context on when the quote was said. Even if his stance hasn’t changed or if it has gotten worse, it should still be noted when he actually said it. While it can’t be ruled out, it’s pretty unlikely he would say that today with current events.
Would you agree that actions speak louder than words? His material support for Palestinian genocide has increased drastically from when he said this quote.
Yes. Again, I am not disagreeing with you. All I’m saying is that when quoting something that was said almost 40 years ago, it’s important to provide context on when it was said to provide readers a frame of reference.
What has changed since then? I’d understand your point completely if Biden was no longer supporting genocide of Palestinians.
When someone is being consistent with something they said years ago, it adds nothing to say, “but context”.
If I posted about how Biden supported racially segregated busing, and was against gay marriage, then you might have a point in claiming context, since the democratic party has opportunistically changed its mind on those.
Context matters in this case not because his stance has changed or not, but because current events have changed. The post comes off as if Biden said it today. I doubt he would’ve said that out loud in 1986 if Israel was doing what it’s doing now back then, just as he won’t be saying that today with what’s happening. If the post said “Biden on Israel in 1986” or something similar, then it gives a frame of reference to the reader on the context that he didn’t say that while Israel was actively mounting a full scale invasion of Palestine, especially here where it’s posted in c/worldnews. I wouldn’t mind if this was posted in c/politics or something.
Again, I am not disagreeing with you that what he said was deplorable.
The fact that Biden wouldn’t say the quiet part out loud today, just shows the opportunism of the democratic party.
In 2016 for example, Obama dropped 26,171 bombs in the Middle East and North Africa, ~3 bombs per hour. Which is more important, the people killed, or Obama’s statements?
Exactly, that’s why it’s important to point out he didn’t say that today. His stance is bad even 37 years ago, but it doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t say it today.
Re: Obama and drones - I think you’re digging too deep into this. The same thing applies. If Obama said something (you didn’t point out an exact quote) before he started bombing, I would still say that context should be provided on when he said it if you posted it today in relation to current events in the middle east and north Africa.
Joe Biden 30+ years ago: We must support Israel to defend our interests in the ME.
Joe Biden in 2023: We must support Israel to defend our interests in the ME.
Liberals: “but context!!!”
What does political affiliation have anything to do with this? This is c/worldnews, where there is reasonable expectation that what is posted is current events. I have repeatedly said I am not disagreeing with you, and that I’m only saying pulling a quote from 37 years ago needs to be put into context, regardless if it is relevant or not.