As the Fediverse grows more and more, rules and regulations become more important. For example, is Lemmy GDPR compliant? If not, are admins aware of the possible consequence? What does this mean for the growth of Lemmy?
Edit: The question “is Lemmy GDPR compliant” should mean, does the software stack provide admins with means to be GDPR compliant.
Edit2: Similar discussion with many interesting opinions on lemmy.ml by /u/[email protected]–> https://lemmy.ml/post/1409164
Edit3: direct link to philpo great answer–>https://feddit.de/comment/840786
Lemmy is GDPR compliant, as far as I know.
Admins can entirely purge you off their instance, should you ask them to, and other servers do not store any personal details that GDPR would require be deletable. By most interpretations.
It can be argued that previously federated data that is now out of reach and as such cannot be deleted, could constitute a breach of GDPR.
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There’s not just ignoring the request.
An instance can simply be offline when the request is made. Or be defederated.
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Other servers do store personal data. Any post or comment made by a user is personal data as it contains the thoughts/ideas of that user.
GDPR Art 4.(1) ‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person;
That’s one interpretation. One I illuded to.
But you can also argue that if the person who made the comment is unidentifiable, there is no “natural person” to make the data GDPR related.
Well that depends on the comment, doesn’t it? As far as I understand it, if I posted personal information about you, such as your name, home address, etc, in a comment, you could demand from the admin to remove that comment as it would contain personal information you don’t want in the open.
GDPR Art 4.(1) ‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person;
Posts in the Lemmy instances contain information relating to an identifiable natural person (by their user handle), as they contain the person’s ideas and opinions. Therefore the Lemmy instances are handling personal data and must comply with the GDPR.
Lemmy can avoid the impossibly heavy burden of compliance by becoming an underground illegal service and/or IP banning the Europeans Union and/or abolishing the European Union.
abolishing the European Union
Ah, yes. I believe this was step 4 of setting up your self-hosted instance.
Yes, someone please automate this
Lemmy can avoid the impossibly heavy burden of compliance by becoming an underground illegal service and/or IP banning the Europeans Union and/or abolishing the European Union.
That is a terrible option, cuts off a huge amount of potential users, and basically impossible to do fediverse wide. In fact, The European Union actually has official Fediverse accounts (on Mastodon, custom instance), and if the EU itself is willing to use a platform, that means it’s probably not gonna be taken down by the EU.
Recent event shows the lemmeyverse cares neither about new users nor federation. Everything is designed to work off a single exclusionary instance or small cabal of large instances
Can you elaborate on this? How does it not care about those things?
If you’re not in the main instance, your going to be handicapped in your ability to stay in the loop. First because now everything goes through federation, which was a design afterthought for Lemmy, and that means stuff outside the instance always takes second place to what is inside the instance. Then you have issues like federation which are extra layers of censorship for everything outside your instance. I’ve of the biggest problem is accessing outside communities. First you have to actually go to other instances and find them. They won’t show up until at least one person subscribes. And this has to be fine in every instance for every other instance and every communities in each of their instances before they would even become visible. Of course, this is such a high bar that by the time you do all this, you’ll realize 99.99% of users will not go through this trouble. They will just go to the biggest community on the biggest instance.
Last problem, if you go to your instance/c/acommunity , you’ll see only that instance’s “acommunity” There is no way to refer to “acommunity” for the entire fediverse. There is no fediverse community. Only parallel, same named but unrelated communities that would require extra steps to view all at once if it were even possible.
There is a proposal , an old proposal, to create multireddit like feature for Lemmy. But first, the devs so not want to test down this barrier, si they won’t do it. But even if they did, it would not work. Since you’d have to take extra action to aglomerate selected communities with a multireddit, you would be one of very few people to do so because agglomeration would still not be the default. And that means most communities would remain empty deserts anyway.
First because now everything goes through federation, which was a design afterthought for Lemmy, and that means stuff outside the instance always takes second place to what is inside the instance.
At least for me, that hasn’t seemed to be a problem. I found everything I wanted to subscribe to from my smaller server via Lemmyverse.net, and now when I look at my subscriptions page, I see all the newest posts from all those different communities. Unless you mean that it prioritizes local content on the ‘All’ page instead of subscriptions.
First you have to actually go to other instances and find them. They won’t show up until at least one person subscribes.
That isn’t ideal, I will admit. Without Lemmyverse.net it would be difficult to find everything that interested me.
But first, the devs so not want to test down this barrier, si they won’t do it.
If Lemmy won’t, then I suspect that would leave the door open for Kbin to implement.
It’s not going to be a problem to find the communities. Since people on arandominstance.com won’t be posting on arandominstance.com/c/interestingtopic
They will know if they did, no one would every see it, except for the dozen other people on arandominstance.com
Instead, they’ll Google for the biggest /c/interestingtopic , find on what instance it is and go post there
We don’t get to the part of having difficulty finding them because they don’t get created in the first place
Does Lemmy even need to be gdpr compliment? It’s not a company, it’s private individuals.
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It doesn’t apply to purely personal use. See Article 2 section 2 ©. For shits and giggles would fall under that.
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