The fact he can just shows how far gone the us is, yet each insane thing that happens gets only a mild bitching online as the loss involved in righting the ship grows exponentially.

Congrats on choosing a worse result yet again then, by utterly misunderstanding their incentive structures and government function.

This mentality only makes you feel good; it doesn’t do good.

They are becoming so by way of people not doing anything about it, and literally voting them into power.

The sentiment that the AI bares any noteworthy responsibility for this is purely anti AI rage, that should be aimed at legitimate problems.

Imagine suing a notebook company for their paper being the paper of choice for selfharming teens?

Imagine suing home depot for selling rope and a stool to someone who has had enough?

Imagine suing nickleback for making music of the quality that encouraged this?

Im saying, we’re all aware this is some bits on a server right? Like this is clearly not a person, doesn’t have the impact of a person, and unless they’ve specifically tuned it to manipulate the impressionable into killing people, these sentiments just don’t make sense.

It absolutely does. Your post gets hidden, and you have a higher likelyhood of moderator interaction. It is less punishing though.

Moderators universally suuuuuuuuck.

contribute to the discourse

Is entirely too vague and subjective.

Upvote-downvote is a great reaction to all the trolls. combined withan algorithm they can surface the good stuff and alert moderators to garbage.

They create a similarly big problem though. Every group has a natural tendency towards members increasingly feeling like they are walking on eggshells with ever more precise purity tests, and any dissent gets hidden.

Lemmys culture of downvoting well written things you disagree with is a problem though. So long as nothing is done about that you can’t make a good algorithm.

Well written is subjective. Something can be long and filled with evidence and still be gibberish or in bad faith.

You also have to have a limit of how much effort you are willing to spend in any given conflict.

Furthermore, trying to change human behaviour in that way rather than finding a system that better accomplishes the goal seems like an impossible goal.

I think the big problem/reason why people feel the need for anonymity is because of what I mention here. Basically, people always feel on pins and needles with regards to shitty moderation.

I actually think further than this, people in power are almost always too blood lusty and immediately jump to permanent bans all the time.

It results in chilling effects that create echo chambers.

Of course what you talk about doesn’t help as it serves to make people even more trigger happy as real bad faith threats exist and you can’t easily tell intent.

I feel like to have real conversations online, maybe a more ideal hypothetical platform would have any sort of legal binding to follow certain terms, they’d require being connected to a real id without storing said personal information in plain text, and would connect that to specific IDs to completely shut down (meaningfully) the botting, to have people actually talk.

People could then chat as themselves, or anonymously under a username, but there would never be confusion as to whether or not someone was real.

This is very half baked though and I already can think of tons of problems.

People suck. People especially suck when they get even a modicum of power.

I feel like forums sucked too because of the lack of sorting.

They just don’t scale well to many users. Once you hit a certain number of users, without some method to sort, its just information overload.

Hell, forum threads that are too long inevitably go completely off the rails and become off topic troves.

I think there has to be a better intermediate format, like perhaps a mix of systems, but I think the main thing that makes reddit-likes suck, is their systems of governance.

Something I realized very quickly with lemmy for instance, is that its the not at all benevolent dictator positions that are the big problem. The main incentives for people choosing to spend their time in mod positions still remains to impose their will, whether that be their opinion or power over others speech.

There is something at its core which is wrong with this system at scale. It allows for mods to collect up critical masses of people before then knowing that due to that critical mass they have captive audiences where there is high friction to leave or start something else.

Lemmy has a very bandaid “solution” for this in that there can be multiple of any given community/subreddit, but they all suffer from the fact that whatever a moderator wants is what happens, and even in the worst case scenarios, that is just moved up one layer to admins, who are incentived to appear as hands off as possible on moderators, lest they get turned on by the people who “help” them.

Reddit sucks because of a lot of other profit driven reasons, but I think this is the main structural problem and lemmy shares in this.

Forums have this problem too by the way, but its just that forums are so separate and so bad at handling massive amounts of casual users, that they run into this far less.

There is at least one Robo vac that does not rely on the cloud, and personally I can’t imagine feeling comfortable with a robovac being cloud connected for no reason.

Then that doesnt really help your point then does it?

You say it was, but I don’t recall it ever filing for bankruptcy etc, so I have to wonder what these claims are based on, and why you felt their journalism was actually good and the type of thing people say they would pay for in the first place. In essence, you are still using the bad example, but with a new unverified claim that still doesnt work because it is a bad example.

I’m talking about all sources

Yet the only ones you listed are the billionaire backed ones. Curious.

Almost as if your argument is in bad faith because you yourself don’t have any great examples of the sort of thing people would want to support that are also news outlets with reporters, and so you are forced to use bad examples.

Ill give you an example though, just like the other person pointed out, there are smaller sources popping up everywhere. Even youtube journalism such as HowTown are pockets of not yet corporate information sources that people are fine with supporting.

Well, look at lemmy anytime someone posts a link that requires you to pay for the journalism. Pitchforks and torches.

People don’t want to pay for something they don’t think is quality.

It’s not like these companies would clean up their act if they got another viable revenue stream. We can see that because when companies do, they regularly just keep the extra cash.

What you’d need is a boot strapped organization that actually had standards people cared about and didn’t bend. Its an impossibly hard situation, yes, but that does not make your snark prescient or clever. More than that, it doesnt at all back up your conclusion that people don’t want to pay for quality journalism. It just doesnt exist, because it gets bought out by billionaires.

Is this a shower thought or just a luke warm take

Oh nowadays you can get 26tb drives pretty affordably, so a 4 bay NAS could be getting you 50TiB now.

Of course most people don’t need all that though… including me honestly but hey, that data isn’t going to collect itself.

pretty sure that’s meant in a light hearted fashion

Imagine not having a double digit bay NAS with triple digit Tebibytes of space.

Alternatively, your setup is kinda slow and you’re kinda lazy (not used pejoratively).