If it was any other country your argument would be substantive. But we are talking about Israel and Palestine. Anyone who leaves will not be able to return. That’s how it’s always been. And for the Palestinians, their land is their existence. They will not give it up. They know the second they leave, it’s been lost.
All the supporters of Palestine that I know absolutely support the return of any hostages, including myself. However we aren’t so one-sided to only demand that of Hamas. We also believe the 5000+ Palestinians held in Israeli prisons and military posts, many of which are illegally held without charges, unable to seek legal advice or see family, some of which are children, ought to be returned as well.
Don’t be blind to what is happening. It isn’t hard information to find.
Sorry, but I have been an advocate for Palestinian rights for years. I’m not just shilling out propaganda on the day of a massacre. As I type this, the confirmed death tolls have Israelis near 100 while Palestinian deaths are near double that. So if you want to start talking about massacres, just so far today Israel has caused more death, let alone the days, weeks, months, years and decades prior to today.
Point made. Sadly it’s true. Especially today as we spend trillions on technology designed to kill.
That’s okay, I’m not trying to get a response! Just trying to make sure people think about this with less bias.
Israel began its occupation in 1947 when the soon-to-be state began ethnically cleansing the lands - removing the Indigenous locals out of their homes and villages. Yes - this sparked the 1948 war, which resulted in even more land being occupied. This issue did not begin with the 1948 war.
Who has ruled over the other with military occupation, routinely unhoused, tortured, killed and terrorized the other for 70+ years?
Who decided they wanted the land and proceeded to ethnically cleanse the towns to make room for their own people?
Don’t turn a blind eye.
Killing - no matter the victim is inhuman.
Believing one side has the right to kill while the other must take it, is pretty gross.
“Slaughtering civilians in the streets” is precisely what the IDF does on the regular, just so you know. It’s hard to imagine any group of people would live under military occupation for 70+ years after being forced to leave their homes for refugee camps without the desire to fight for their freedom.
Perhaps prejudiced is a more appropriate term. And I agree, I think we ought to avoid such inflammatory statements about an entire nation of people based on the actions of a relatively small few, even when those actions are despicable.
Okay I did it! I honestly don’t know the right way to link to communities so I hope this works. Let’s get it going: [email protected]
@[email protected] and @[email protected] you’re invited too!
No kidding! Maybe I will look into starting one…
I’m a fellow mandolin player! Couldn’t believe what I just read haha. There isn’t typically too many of us making ourselves known in places like this
I’ll take the chance.
Bad ass. Can you fly me to my appointment later?
Welp we found the hasbara, folks!
You’re 2035 years old? Wild…
You’re absolutely right that there will be variance, and that each side has incentive to inflate death counts, etc. Other orgs will likely not produce their own numbers until after this mess is over. Check the Wiki pages or B’Tselem pages on previous assaults on Gaza to see how the numbers can vary, that’ll give you an idea at least.