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  • To add further nuance to what you’ve said, (I know you know this already, so this is for other readers) when we ingest sucrose it is converted into glucose and fructose, which causes our blood glucose to rise steeply, which then results in a commensurate steep rise in insulin secretion. Elevated insulin causes many cells in the body to uptake glucose and chronically elevating insulin from a constant intake of carbohydrates means that the adipose tissue have no choice but to keep converting glucose to fat.

    Sufficient ingestion of protein too will cause an increase in blood glucose levels, but nowhere near as steep nor as high. The biological effects are entirely different. And for anyone curious, it’s possible to visualise this by wearing a continuous glucose monitor. It’ll provide a lot of insight into an aspect of how eating different foods can affect your body differently.



  • To play the devil’s advocate, there’s some nuance to this. If someone is metabolically unhealthy and obese, they impose an on-going cost to society if only in terms of healthcare. It’s somewhat on the same lines as

    the fat person slows everyone down and it endangers the group

    Shaming fat people and blaming them for being fat surely isn’t constructive. It very rarely, if ever, is a lack of self control. But I also don’t think we should accept a metabolically diseased state as normal.


  • Calories on a label are not the calories in the metabolic equation

    The calories on the label are what is used to make decisions when it comes to using CICO to decide what to eat, which is why it’s relevant. I see now where you are coming from though, because I’m speaking from a pragmatic stand point, but yours is a theoretical one.

    We do however appear to be in agreement, too. Due to these chemical processes CICO is highly reductive and pretty pointless for losing body fat, because what our bodies do in response say to 100 kcal of sucrose and 100 kcal of protein is entirely different, and result in entirely different biological outcomes.


  • It is inaccurate, food manufacturers are allowed about 20% error margin when measuring calories. Calories have nothing to do with what our bodies do with the material we eat, since everything is a chemical process and we aren’t closed systems. When we mobilize fat we create ketone bodies which are exhaled in our breathing, how do you propose to measure ‘caloric expenditure’ then? It is far too reductive.