I have seen a few of these with similar story lines and realized we are living it right now. They have the best healthcare, the best food, the best everything and most of us are a few dollars from disaster. That scares some of us to death literally from all the stress it causes.

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    Elysium!

    You’re not wrong. And anybody who could afford to stop them is too busy fighting a culture war to organize. Who do you think is stoking animosity? MLKJ wasn’t assassinated for civil rights, it was for the Poor Peoples Campaign. The only thing that could stop them is the unity of all those living paycheck to paycheck, regardless of religion or race.

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      I feel like a movement is actually happening, but slowly. Look at all these unions forming and people striking all around. It gives me hope, to be honest. The media is fighting it hard and somewhat succeeding, but just to an extent. We will win

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    Good sci fi usually isn’t about the future, aliens, etc. It’s about the present, but portrayed in a strange way so as to bypass your existing preconceptions about the situation, so you can look at it with fresh eyes.

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      It also makes it ‘safe’ to discuss controversial topics, because it’s ‘only scifi’ (or horror/fantasy).

      Allows creators and authors to fly under the radar with stuff that could potentially get you arrested, censored, cause controversy or end your career. Prime example, Tarkovski movies like Solaris or Stalker, which are full of religious metaphors, despite being released in the USSR.

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    It’s okay. There will be no Elysium. They’ll die on this molten rock right here with us if they’re still alive by then.

    I think our reality is more like Idiocracy than Elysium.

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      The people in Idiocracy were wiser because when they found the smartest person they put him in charge pretty much straight away.

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      it won’t be a space station but on earth. the rich been building bunkers in new Zealand. which…has a really fucked up wealth disparity and cost of living crisis before it was cool.

      good luck staying safe fuckers

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      Idiocracy is a stupid pro eugenics movie. It doesn’t actually call out what the problem in their world really is (corporation poisoning the people) but gives the impression that their world is bad because of too many dumb people breeding.

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      I think there will still be many places that will be livable even if the temperature rises to +10, such as Nothern Canada and Russia. So it seems probable “rich” people could be able to have their own colonies their, though it’s probable rich will have a different meaning then, maybe more about water and food than numbers on the internet. Our species is far from endangered, it’s rather our civilisations that are, the bad and the good in them.

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    All I know is the second the very second that we are sure they’re starting to build the cloud cities, we need to start murdering people. You can’t let him finish the cloud cities. Cannot happen. The second construction starts we start cutting off heads. That’s our only chance.

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      Stopping things now would be easier than the future. In the future they’ll perfect the killer dog robots etc. and things will get harder.

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        Mass surveillance is more powerful than killer dog robots and they already have it.The idea of solving our problems by mass murdering rich people was always stupid, but it’s already too late for that anyway.

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          I am worried about the robot dogs. But Dave Anthony from the dollop brought up a great point. Someone figures out to hack the robot dogs, turn them on their masters, that would be pretty fucking awesome.

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            If that was a realistic scenario we would have already seen it with insurgents being slaughtered with drones and missiles turning the tables. How are you getting your stockpile of zero day exploits for military hardware? It’s pure fantasy.

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              Military drones HAVE been hacked.

              Literally anything can be hacked if you have the time and resources.

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                Sounds interesting, can you link a source? Who was doing the hacking? Whose drone? what was the exploit and how severe was it?

                Still, as a broad strategy it’s absurd. It isn’t true that literally anything can be hacked. A correctly encrypted message? You’re never decoding it, ever, with any amount of time or resources. The impression that everything is vulnerable comes from how much of our technology was built with a massive attack surface and no concern for security, it doesn’t mean there’s no need to worry about murderbots enforcing the will of a totalitarian state because you can always just hack them. The task of building them to keep that from happening is something they can put a lot of thought into and largely succeed at.

                And again, it’s pointless, because mass surveillance is already more powerful. You want to hack something, why not turn the NSA backdoors to your own purposes? It’s not realistic.

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        Nah, that’s just the stupid ideas from stupid people that the actual arcology architects are saying “Let them cook!” about. It will be a case study when the real Elysiums start getting built.

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    “Cyberpunk was a warning, not an aspiration,” == Mike Pondsmith (creator of the Cyberpunk TTRPG)

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      Battle Angel Alita is exactly what I was thinking, it’s also a great movie it deserves a sequel!

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    This won’t last for long. This capitalist with corporate socialism system has a short life span eventually what happens is inflation moves the poverty line far up enough that it collapses. Right now people are struggling to purchase just groceries compared to just last year. Either regulation or wages move up.

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    Every capitalist society trends towards this, as too do all other forms of society as well. Also remember that in the Western world, even someone who is next to outright homeless can have a better life than something like 90% of people around the globe - the water from most streams is safe to drink (unlike many places in Africa and South America), there are currently no missiles raining down from the sky (unlike Ukraine), if you have friends or family that you can stay with there is a good chance that someone can make room for you (unlike super crowded places where there are already ~20 families in a small household - and at the risk of repeating myself, yes I meant families there, not just people), plus with a mere handful of dollars we can get treatments for diseases that even Kings and Pharos of the past who were considered to be literal gods could not.

    So it is a spectrum where we are not as well off as we used to be a few decades ago, but are still doing well globally speaking. The problem is that we are changing, so not yet used to there being such rigid divisions between “classes” of people as now exist, so people still talk as if mere hard work is all that is required to deal with it. And they aren’t even fully wrong, bc that really is a part of it, though there is a significantly higher uphill battle than there used to be.

    Just do your best - what else could you possibly do even? - and also remember that kinder people are happier people, and that is literally something that no amount of money can buy:-D.